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He shows us things we otherwise would not see. He is old-fashioned and messy. He provides a point in the darkness, hisses and vanishes. May 02, Joudy rated it really liked it. Every man who is acutely alive is acutely wrestling with his own soul" Lawrence's belief was that the essence of art is, after all,its ability to convey the emotions of one man to his fellows- a form of sympathy , a form of religious experience.
There are centuries and hundreds of centuries of development in a "We are now in a period of crisis.
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There are centuries and hundreds of centuries of development in a straight line, behind that carving; it's an awful pitch of culture, of a definite sort. It's so sensual s to be final, supreme. Does it have any relation to anything outside the work of art? Is there any connection between the work of art and everyday world?
And every time you think you've got an answer, every time you think a character is fully justified, you get a different point of view, a point of view that keeps the debate open, that ensures that when the reader finishes a text, he is left with things to debate, things to discuss, questions that are left open, a hunger to go back and read it again and see it from a different perspective. It's a daunting task , particularly for readers who are approaching the dialogue for the first time, I didn't find it to be very engaging,what is important to me is to give me something to cling on to, to recognize and engage with, so I can associate with their fears, aspirations and their dilemmas ,but the reader should tolerate the dialogue long enough to grasp the underlying themes of the work.
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Whether Lawrence manages to incur our animosity or admiration is irrelevant as the goal may simply have been to engage us at all,it is not to say that it can not be appreciated for what it attempts to accomplish. It opens with Ursula embroidering and Gudrun drawing as they sit altogether in the window-bay of their father's house, Gudrun asked Ursula if she wanted to get married "Let a man walk alone on the face of the earth, and he feels himself like a loose speck blown at random. Let him have a woman to whom he belongs , and he will feel as though he had a wall to back up against even though the woman be mentally a fool!
Gudrun was amazingly beautiful, her look of confidence and diffidence contrasted with Ursula's sensitive expectancy. Ursula's spirit was active , her life like a shoot that is growing steadily, Gudrun was the more beautiful and attractive, Ursula was more physical, more womanly. The sisters were from Beldover , a world so utterly different from London and the south, a world of underworld men who spent most of their time in the darkness, a world so ugly and uncreated, and yet surcharged with the same potent atmosphere of intense, dark callousness.
View 2 comments. Jul 23, Paul Christensen rated it liked it. Jun 12, Bruce rated it it was amazing. Lawrence at his best. Each character is utterly individual and nuanced but cannot stand alone, being fully realized only in relationship and response to each other. Having read the work one sees these people around one every day, and of course one also sees aspects of oneself in each of them as well. A terrific novel!
View all 4 comments. Aug 31, Liz rated it did not like it Shelves: reviewed , classic , love , britain. I'm sorry, I just don't 'get' DH Lawrence. I think he is the most over-rated novelist I've ever read.
And I have tried. I'm sure he broke the boundaries of what was permitted to be discussed in the novel BUT, besides the chapter involving the boating trip and resulting accident, nothing impressed me or remains with me from the book other than intense irritation with all of the characters. The women are unrealistic and the men, arrogant and dull. I wanted to slap the lot of them and tell them to get a life. It is so self-indulgent and self-important. If I'd been given this at school, I'd have been put off the 'classics' for life! What a waste of paper and time Oct 05, Gloria rated it did not like it.
Ugh - this book was no fun for me. There were some lovely moments and prose that I copied into my quote journal, and that's about all that kept me going. The introduction advised that "one should not begin one's study of Lawrence with Women in Love", and man, I guess that's right.
I really can't stand purposefully obscure language, or a supposedly realist novel that's full of dialogue and emotional reactions that make no sense and bear no resemblance to how people actually talk or think. Maybe I Ugh - this book was no fun for me.
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Maybe I'm just not literary enough for this, but I'm retreating into some easier stuff for a while. Aug 18, Elena Holmgren rated it really liked it Shelves: favorites. If there is anything like a truth to sexual relations, I'd say that Lawrence's account here comes pretty close to capturing at least one fold of the central knot of it.
He weaves his narrative around four centers of consciousness, two male, and two female, in an effort to capture the essential meaning of their relations to themselves, to one another, and to the nothingness from which their consciousness springs, from moment to moment. He movingly captures the shimmering movement of their conscio If there is anything like a truth to sexual relations, I'd say that Lawrence's account here comes pretty close to capturing at least one fold of the central knot of it. He movingly captures the shimmering movement of their consciousnesses over the fathomless darkness of mere being.
The thread of narrative follows them as they dissolve into liminal, pre-reflective, pre-personal levels of purely immersive sense experience. We see them there scattered beyond all conceptual bounds, in a quivering, unreal because too real world of pure senseless, impersonal image.
We see them before the question of meaning even has any meaning. And from there the narrative follows them also as they gather themselves back up out of the experienced flux, propping themselves up with their relationship to one another, and with their own bubble of meanings. Following the death of his father, Gerard finds himself to be hollowed out, and describes himself as a shimmering bubble of consciousness enveloping a dark core of nothingness.
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The brush with death only reveals the permanent, overlooked truth: that this is indeed, what a personality is, a shimmering bubble around a void. To escape from the knowledge of absolute negation that death brings, each wagers on love. The dynamic of the characters' lives thus modulates itself between the two poles of death and love, between the two absolutes of negation and ecstasy.
It is worth reading this if only to witness this seemingly magical oscillation it sustains between the two extremities of our being: from the lucid world of waking consciousness, in which we have our definite contours and stance in things, pragmatic fixity, to the underworld at which we feel ourselves to be, ultimately, strangers to ourselves. Unfathomably other to ourselves. It is there that Lawrence's story asks us we must meet, if we are to really say we love each other. It is there that we must forge our relations with one another, ourselves, and the world.
So there is a final you.
Women in Love by D. H. Lawrence
And it is there I would want to meet you-not in the emotional loving plane-but there beyond, where there is no speech and no terms of agreement. There we are two stark, unknown beings, two utterly strange creatures, I would want to approach you, and you me. It seems to be rather springboard for a more genuine creation. The encounter with nothingness is the seed of everything, of a genuine creation, relation, and truth. This is because it is the true impersonal seed of the personality, and thus, of our world. I should say that the frothy steaminess of the language was, at times, alienating for me.
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Perhaps it is a matter of incompatible sensibilities here; I tend to prefer works that lavish the most impressionistically detailed descriptions on the marginal incidents of life, while sketching the climactic, consummatory moments from a respectful remove, with the infinite suggestivity that can be effected only by the sidelong glance cast by sparse simplicity of description. Melodrama such as Lawrence oftentimes indulges in at key moments of dialogue obscures for me the meaning he so desperately wishes to convey by those very passages.
Hyperbole ironically diminishes and distorts truth. Simone de Beauvoir, in "The Second Sex," criticized Lawrence's boastful claims of this work, his claim, namely, that he was finally showing an authentic portrait of "woman becoming individual. Through Ursula and Birkin's relationship, he shows that "woman becoming individual" makes possible the emergence of the true relationship between man and woman; it reveals the true contours of their essential otherness to each other. De Beauvoir condemns Lawrence of distorting his portrait of his characters - both male and female - by projecting his foregone essentialist conclusions into it.
But it is unfair to criticize an author for being true to the very essence of his vision. Ursula and Birkin are not just isolated, autonomous individuals for him, but centers of force in the larger creative process of the world. They are thus defined not just in themselves, but also in terms of their irreducible otherness to each other, an otherness which is at times a source of deep attraction, at others, of irreconcilable opposition.
They are irreducibly individual, just as they are participants in archetypal types: each is also Man, the active principle, and Woman, the subtle principle. In Lawrence's vision, we are ourselves - centers, unities, worlds unto ourselves - and we are also caught in a web of relations. We are individuals who are also a part of a dual pattern.
The characters acquire deeper definition not merely as autonomous subjects, but by adopting, willy-nilly, a position in a world of countervailing forces, hence all the images of flux he uses to structure the most revelatory moments in the story. It is by opposing each other, just as well as by learning to love each other, that they acquire fuller being.